Paul
Registered: 12/26/07
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Brad,
It would be helpful to have your views on the second serve. From memory you are not a great fan of topspin serves, which I normally use as a second serve but at times find it just sits up nicely to be hit.
Paul
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bradlangevad
Registered: 12/25/07
Posts: 21
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Paul there is only a flat serve, inside-out serve and a spin/slice serve. So if your 2nd serve is working then you are not hitting the myth serves, topspin and 'kick'. If you hit a ball between your legs then this is an upside down flat serve and if you spin a forehand to dig it out from inches off the ground then you are hitting with the VERTICAL upside-down close relative of the spin/slice serve and the racquet finishes on the same side likened to where the racquet goes to after serving a spin/slice. Hitting a 'topspin' serve has always implied brushing up the ball with a horizontal racquet which is as physically impossible as fitting 200 people into a car. Go back to the forehand inches from the ground and imagine trying to hit the ball with a horizontal racquet. When you slice/spin the serve it will curve through the air but will on touching the ground 'kick' in the opposite direction.
See http://www.bradlangevad.net/spirus11.html
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trevorjones
Registered: 01/29/08
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IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE;
TENNIS.COM
then
YOUR GAME
then
INSTRUCTION BY JOHN YARDELL
there is an excellent video and description of serve mechanics of pete sampras serve.
it supports myth that conventional topspin as described is a nonsense.
in the second of 3 videos described as heavy ball his racket appears to hit the ball with sidespin and move in a direction naturally away from from his body.
he must be turning his forearm inwards at contact,or something like that.
please explain?
trevor j.
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bradlangevad
Registered: 12/25/07
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Trevor,
The site u mentioned is good for looking at videos but be careful what information you take on board..they know very little about tennis.
What u noticed on the sampras serve is good. You are correct in thinking that the racquet curls back toward the right hand side of the body, near the armpit...much the same way as a low spin forehand eg nadal curls back to the body (a mirror image of what u would expect from a good spin serve
Regards
Brad
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2dogs
Registered: 01/27/08
Posts: 10
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Quote: Originally Posted by bradlangevadPaul there is only a flat serve, inside-out serve and a spin/slice serve. So if your 2nd serve is working then you are not hitting the myth serves, topspin and 'kick'. If you hit a ball between your legs then this is an upside down flat serve and if you spin a forehand to dig it out from inches off the ground then you are hitting with the VERTICAL upside-down close relative of the spin/slice serve and the racquet finishes on the same side likened to where the racquet goes to after serving a spin/slice. Hitting a 'topspin' serve has always implied brushing up the ball with a horizontal racquet which is as physically impossible as fitting 200 people into a car. Go back to the forehand inches from the ground and imagine trying to hit the ball with a horizontal racquet. When you slice/spin the serve it will curve through the air but will on touching the ground 'kick' in the opposite direction. See http://www.bradlangevad.net/spirus11.html
I've seen Rusedski serve since you coached him on the serve and he was mixing up his serves to great effect. Swinging some out wide to the R handers' backhand and bouncing some back their forehand. How do you define the different shots and what do you say is the major difference in executing the two shots.
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bradlangevad
Registered: 12/25/07
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Ahha, now you are getting into some delicate areas.
There are a number of ways.
The easiest way is to change the grip slightly to a more backhand grip when Greg wants to serve down the T on the forehand court or wide to the backhand court. The head and body should follow this change but if not then they are the next step to turn the hips etc into the same direction.
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